Question:
Do you believe John Titor?
heartshapedglasses
2007-05-08 06:06:40 UTC
Was he a time traveller or just a clever hoax? What are your thoughts on this subject?
Four answers:
shotgunsherriffs
2007-05-08 14:11:32 UTC
hmmm. I really got interested into john titor when I first heard about him in 06'. one of the things he said is that our world line and his are almost identicle. but he stated that china was the first country to land someone on the moon. he didn't give a date but that left me thinking that this guy blew his cover. then I thought a little deeper. and started thinking that maybe that group of underground people who think that we never landed on the moon maybe had it right. maybe now with our ability to analyze video with computers, people would start to see the flaws in nasa's video (which has conveniently been lost) and the "truth" will start to see the surface and maybe that it and the loss of personal freedoms (which are happening in the U.S.) will become cogs in the downfall of the current U.S. government. I'm not saying that I don't think you went to the moon, I'm kind of on the fence on this one. anyways, the way that he described the way that the world works leave the future open to anything. every scenario that happened in HIS future (exluding natural disaters) may or may not happen in ours, because we have the ability to adjust our world line as it happens by the actions that we take.

one thing that puzzled me about him was that he stated that he did not have any or much knowledge about ufo's or aliens. which is pretty widespread in our worldline. so again it could be that it wasn't a common topic in his world line... which is kinda foolish being that he thinks our worldlines are so close. or that this phenomenah is a can of worms that he doesn't wan't to get into for fear that his cover will be blown. but on the other hand lets think about this. from his perspective, he thinks that our worldlines are very similar. well, if he's taking this from the start of human history (which we don't know) than yes our world lines are very similar indeed. but if he's taking this from a more modern point in history than our world lines aren't alltogether that close. he did say that the further back in time he goes the less of a chance that he has at reaching his target. so he can't really go further than 100 years with his machine. so it leaves me thinking that his point of view about are world lines is from a more modern part of history. anyways I'm still on the fence about it, because some of the things he's said has come true, but I'm kind of leaning towards it being a hoax. it doesn't really matter what I think though. it matters what you think because this will be and open topic for quite some time.
DanE
2007-05-08 13:11:43 UTC
A cursory examination of the claims suggests several problems with the story, leading some to question Titor's claims and label him a fraud or a hoaxer.



For instance, he describes a future in which money is largely dispensed with in favor of communal bartering, but in other cases claims that money is widely used and they still have credit cards. These claims appear to be opposed, it does not seem obvious how one could operate a credit system with widespread barter because of the smaller number of cash transactions this would imply. In another post he speculated that today's money would be usable in his time, but this would be after the collapse of the federal government according to his own history, which would make the money worthless.[2]



Of particular interest is the fact that the device is implied to be a Tipler Cylinder, but one well known "side effect" of this device is that it can only be used to travel to times in which the device already existed – Titor could travel into the past with one, but only to 2034, which is when he claimed it was first built.[3] It has been suggested that the description of the system has been copied with almost no modification from a particular work, the general science book Hyperspace written by Dr. Michio Kaku.[4]



The images posted by Titor are likewise problematic. The image of the laser pointer's beam being "bent" has the obvious problem that objects around the beam are not bent. For instance the framing of the window visible in the background shows no distortion, which would not be the case if there was a large gravity gradient in the area. Some have speculated the "beam" is a fiber optic.[5]



Titor claimed that he was sent back to obtain an IBM 5100 because it could emulate mainframes. Supporters have implied that this capability was a "secret" that was not known in 2000/1 when the posts were being made. However, this capability was actually widely known in the industry, and commented on in depth in numerous publications, both about the 5100 and APL in general.[6] References to this fact were also available on the internet as early as 1999. This is a fairly obscure bit of trivia, however, which suggests whoever was making the posts was familiar with the machine, or had an interest in retrocomputing.[7]



Other predictions have simply proven not to be true. For instance, he stated that the Olympics Games would end with the 2004 Summer Olympics, but this proved contrary to subsequent real-world events as the 2006 Winter Olympics were successfully held.



In light of such predictive failings supporters have speculated, ex post facto, that the history relayed by Titor could have referred to one possible course for the future, suggesting that humans may have since created an alternate future by going about things differently. Of course, any statement could be explained away in this fashion. This is precisely the sort of "unfalsifiable" claim that Karl Popper was referring to when he developed his thoughts on falsifiability; when faced with evidence that contradicts a claim, that claim is simply modified or removed outright to fix the problem. There is no limit to the modifications that could be carried out, thereby rendering it impossible to state that the facts disagree with the claims. For instance, if every one of the original claims turns out to be wrong, it could simply be stated that "Titor did his job". This is, as Popper pointed out, a key indication of a pseudoscience.
Del Piero 10
2007-05-08 13:14:19 UTC
No, it's been proven that if you built a time machine today that you couldn't travel into the past beyond the date and time the machine was constructed. So a machine built in 2034 couldn't come back as far as 2000 let alone 1975.
anonymous
2007-05-09 04:10:08 UTC
I Heard about him.



But, can you give his website, I want to learn more


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